TSB - FLASH: ESP System May Prematurely Activate Momentarily When Negotiating A Curve
NUMBER: 08-007-07
GROUP: Electrical
DATE: March 06, 2007
SUBJECT:
FLASH: ESP System May Prematurely Activate Momentarily When Negotiating A Curve
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) module with new software.
NOTE: This bulletin applies to 4×2 Wranglers built on or before November 08, 2006 (MDH 1108XX).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
The customer may experience a premature and momentary activation of the Electronic
Stability Program (ESP) system. The premature activation of the ESP system will be
accompanied with the illumination of the ESP indicator lamp located in the instrument
cluster. The customer will experience the momentary ESP system activation typically on a
“clover leaf” type turn, at speeds of approximately 40 to 64 Km/h (25 to 40 mph).
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My dealer confirmed this TSB and are updating it for me next week… for some reason none of the other TSBs show up on her system, does that mean its up to date already?
Anyone know if this TSB will apply to 4×4 models as well?
Mine is a 4×4 and is definately doing this!!!! Its very startling.
mine is a 4×4 and does it also
Dealer suggested that I keep the ESP on my 4×4 turned off. Do this by pushing the button twice.
yeah i got a 4×4 x model and since i lifted and put bigger tires on it i get it all the time, its almost cause me to crash my jeep into a wall on the highway
Mine does this a lot i have 2.5″ lift and 33″s on a 4×4 Unlimited…. hmmm
i have a 2.5 lift with 35s and i wanna fix it but dc seems to be not wanting to help
Just to make sure, are all of you with a lifted JK and bigger tires sure your steering wheel is straight? Because, this problem would occur if it weren’t.
Eddie
This TSB does not apply to 4X4 vehicles according to my dealership in Enumclaw, WA. I had mine in yesterday, but it wasn’t applicable. Still waiting for a real fix from DC…..
4×4 Sahara 2″ lift 34s & steering wheel is straight. ABS Kicks in everytime i get in a curve. Someone plz hlp Just got it from factory floor March 8th 2007. It scares the SHT out of me everytime it happens.
I have a 4×4 Unlimited X, 3 inch lift, and 33/11.5 tires. At speeds greater than 30mph on entrance ramps, this also happens to me. I figure i just need to slow down until enough 4×4 owners complain and the problem is recognized for the 4×4 community.
Update from my last post. I had my JK in for a new clutch (recall), and i asked about the 2wd recall for the ESP. The service manager told me there is a recall on the 4×4 now, and a flash for the computer should be out in a week or two. He tried installing the program from the 2wd to see if that would fix the problem, however, the cpu wouldnt except the update. Hope this info helps some of you guys out there. Good luck.
I have a 4″ Skyjacker lift on my ‘07 JK 4×4. I also put the procomp 17″ black, (7089), wheels and 35″ Toyo Open Country tires on. This premature engagement of the ESP is happening to me as well. I can go around corners at 25mph and sometimes it will engage and other times it will not around the same corner at the same speed. This has also happened at 30-45mph on corners as well. As I said before sometimes it will engage and around the same corner at the same speed it will not engage. It is annoying and I am going to get it checked out today. I hope they can find a fix for this.
I have an 07 X 4×4 with a 3″ lift and 33s and was on a paved highway with a lot of curves and it started to kick in. Scared the crap out of me the first time cuz I almost ran into a car coming around the curve the other way.
My JK has a 4″ lift with 34s and it kicked in and almost got me killed when I was pulling out onto a highway. The engine actually died for about two seconds and it’s a good thing there was a shoulder for me to pull onto. I’ve been told that with larger tires the ESP has to be recalibrated. All I want to do is get it disabled completely and permanently. How is that done?
My JK Unlimited has a 2.5 inch Skyjscker lift and 305 70 R17 Procomp tires. I experienced the same affect as George Wagner where the engine actually started to die and the ESP light came on. I had to pull into the shoulder as I thought one of my wheels was loose. Pretty sketchy.
I have this problem as well on my 4×4 “x” Jk with 3″ lift and 35″ Toyo MT tires. The dealership was less this helpful. ESP off button has done nothing for me. Will be turning off ESP manually untell a flash is released for this fix.
I write from Rome, Italy.
Also my 4×4 Jk (MDH 022614) has this problem. The Italian Jeep technical service tell me there is no update for 4×4. Please, have you got news from America?
I don’t have a lift kit and this has happened twice to me! It does scare the crap out of you and nearly caused a wreck.
I told my dealer hear in Tuscaloosa they said it was normal the light came on when cranked up and did not go off untill I got to where I was Going and turned it off and went in side Wal-mart and came back out to crank it back up it was off finialy this dealer is not resuring or know what they are dooing
After the lift on mine it naturally had to have a realignment. The steering wheel was just a little off horizontal afterwards. I heard about the whelel having to be set back straight. I took it back in and got the steering wheel straightened out and haven’t had this problem since. I’m still leery but haven’t had the problem for about 4,000 miles now.
Excuse me for the last comment. I just noticed that Eddie addressed this way back on March 24. I’m pretty slow sometimes.
if you pull your esp fuse the esp light track light and abs light will stay on and the esp and abs will not work but it cant cause problems for you on the road the jeeps have worked fine for years with out abs or esp with no problems
George, I don’t understand… which is the solution?
Just to keep this info going. I’ve got an 07 with 1K miles. 3″ lift and 35″ tires and it does the ESP thing on freeway clover leaf ramps if I’m over 25-30 MPH. It’s a PAIN!
Marco, I’m clueless, which is not that unusual. It did it again. I think I’m gonna try what Raymond said and pull the fuse and see what happens.
My JK X Unlimited did this while being towed behind our motorhome. I had not disconnected the battery as directed in the manual (Jeep factory rep told me it was not necessary) but was towing with the transfer case in neutral and transmission in gear (Manual). Jeep brakes are great. The right front brake slowed our 17,000 pound motorhome right down. Dealer has flashed the computer and reprogrammed the EPS. We will see. I never had the problem while driving, only while towing the Jeep. Also, the odometer recorded every mile we towed it. I’ll be disconnecting the battery from now on.
man i was happy to find this cite i have been having this same problem with my 07 wrangler with 4inch lift and 35s
i just went to my dealership today and they said they could not fix it will the pro comp speedo adjust fix this problem
it is absurdity that nobody succeeds to resolve this problem! In Italy the Jeep does not know what to make. I have also a Kia Sportage v6. A Korean automotive factory is not behaved like the American Jeep. Here the Jeep has not given the handbook of instructions and the guarantee to us. This is one shame! My car always drives in EPS fault!
i have owned jeeps for the last ten years and this is stupid i think this will be my last jeep unless some one can come with a fix
There is a new Recall from Jeep for my wrangler:
http://www.jeep.com/webselfservice/jeep/index.jsp?screenName=recall&country=us&emailUrl=goToEmailForm%28%27R%27%29
Description Type Issue Date Status
REPROGRAM EBC MODULE - SAFETY - 10/24/2007
Is it the solution?!?!?
What’s EBC MODULE?
I call my Italian Customer Care but they haven’t yet this new firmware. (Grunch!!!)
Hi. Maybe the solution. Today the jeep factory have seen my Wrangler. They have correct G40 error by reprogramming EBC module (I hope!!!) and they have told me that they must replace the spiral in the steering because it would have to be defective. They have said that this EPS problem has had to this defective piece from the factory. Maybe the next week.
did they get it fixed marcoo
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
They have replaces this steering spiral but nothing is changed.
They think I’m crazy. I show them this forum because it’s an international problem (not only on my Jk). They want try my Jk again with an Jeep inspector. They think that this is not a problem but a normal Jk behavior.
Am I really crazy?
There is a doctor for me???
I am going to take mine in and leave it until they get it fixed. have they done the flash on your jeep yet marco it did not work on mine but it could work on yours.
They have only fixed error G40 (ABS problem, they said). Today they called me for another update. I send them this page to show them the international problem. So an inspector want to see and test my Jk for two days, tomorrow (18th).
I hope in some results!
there is a flash for the over sensative esp
yes, but they said that is not for my MHD.
Now my Jk is in factory. (???)
G40 doesn’t resolve this problem. My Jk is still in ESP fault.
What can I do?
marco just got mine back today the said they had a new flash they test drove it and said it was fixed but it kicked on on the first curve i came to. they are either really stupid or they are just full of it
Another italian owner has resolves making to replace the entire module ESP !!!!
let me know if that works
he tell me “YES!”…. but Italian Chrysler don’t want change to me yet this module…. They are crazy.
[...] You can purchase a navigation manual here - https://techauthority.gltghosting.co…=80103&qty= 0. I’m looking for…. Thanks. I don’t know if it’s available in Italian or not, but you may have better luck by going to the main page and clicking on “International” - My Chrysler: Chrysler Owners Service Manuals - Chrysler Cars, Minivans, SUVs, Convertibles, Crossovers. In this site there isn’t the Navigator Service Manual. I ‘ve the Owners Service Manuals in italian on paper, but there is written nothing about navigator. I ‘ve also U-connect Manual in English and Italian. I assume you want to update your map. Are you saying the navigation CD is by TomTom? I know my motorcycle TomTom maps are now made by Navteq. They also make the maps for the REC system in North America. No, I say that I must use my Mio with TOMTOM for a sure navigation with all my PDI and POI… The Chrysler Navigator is so old… :-/ Here’s an Italian page to check out for Chrysler products - Navteq � Mappe per il tuo Sistema di Navigazione. They send back to an italian dealer. I’ll do so, but I have an ugly relationship with Italian Chrysler because thay don’t succed to resolve the problems on my wrangler 2007 (http://project-jk.com/index.php/?p=135) Thanks Bernie. [...]
Ops… a copy error
i am going in this week for a clock spring
What’s that?
“clock spring “???
Hi. I am trying adhesions of who I have this problem please: you write your name here or some reference…
it determines the location of the steering wheel
uhmmm… let me know.
marco i took it in yesterday they said they would find the problem and fix it. the funny part is the gave me a mini van to drive i wonder how it will do off road
I hope they will fix it as soon as possible, so you could help me and my new dealer (I’ve just changed another…). Let me know by email: xxx@pobox.com —> xxx=topao
A mini van? Terrible…. Worse than in Italy.
@CD…
Next Wednesday I have an appointment with dealer and Jeep technician in order to examine my vehicle. Have you some news about you?
Marco I wish I had some good news for you, but I dont my jeep is still in the shop and the technician said they dont know what is wrong with it or how to fix it which is scary because didn’t thier company build it
marco i just found this today ask them about tsb 05-001-08 it is a esp disable
TSB - Electronic Stability Control Disable Feature For Modified 4WD Vehicles
January 18th, 2008
this is it marco i dont know if it will work but at this point i will try about anything
Oh! My car is yet to dealer! No news about it.
I want to see immediately your new about tsb.
Yes, maybe a solution! I call my dealer as soon as possible.
I’ve called dealer. No errors, no problems, nothing in their tests with my Jk. All is right!
(!!!)
For them!!!
They don’t want change firmware with the new TSB - Electronic Stability Control Disable Feature For Modified 4WD Vehicles
January 18th, 2008.
I haven’t any words!!!
Marco any luck my jeep is still at the dealership
For the lifted vehicles having this problem, check the following TSB:
http://project-jk.com/jeep-jk-tsb-recalls/tsb-electronic-stability-control-disable-feature-for-modified-4wd-vehicles
In case ANYBODY else is still reading this site, I purchased a used “07 Sahara, 4X4, NO LIFT, factory 18in wheels, and I came close to crashing my Jeep three times because of this problem. It has been to the dealer three times for the same problem, and they have no CLUE as to what to do next. It is a SCARY thing when it happens, because the whole vehicle SHUDDERS. I have noticed though, that after they reprogram the ABS module, it will be okay for a while, then the breaks start to “pop” when depressed lightly. I also notice a sort of a “click” in the steering column. As soon as I notice these things, within a few miles, while hitting a cloverleaf turn, the shudder is back.
Anybody else here still having the problem?
Thanks
have you taking your jeep off roading? if so, is there a chance that your tie-rod is bent a tad. this is not uncommon to happen. also, is your steering wheel centered? if not, that will cause your esp to go off. last but not least, how much air are you running in your tires? if you have more than 32psi, you have too much and i would lower it.
I have an 2007 JK with 3.5″ Skyjacker Suspension and 34″ Super Swamper Special Service Tires. With the traction control (ESP) On it’s a death trap, especially if your alignment is off at all. Why can’t people drive without all this extra crap, what ever happened to 4 wheels and an Engine!!
I have a 2009 JK that I lifted skyjacker 4″ with 20″ wheels and 35″ tires and I am getting the ESP activation on clover leaf turns and luck with the fix yet?
how much air are you running in your tires? if you have more than 28psi, you have too much. also, did your kit come with adjustable control arms? if so, you need to set your caster a bit higher as that will help.
JerseyJeepgurl, I’ve the same problems as you!!! Jeep has changed my steering group but nothing is changed. Customer Service doesn’t know how to resolve all these problems! I’m afraid, I want to sell this orrible jeep… Maybe I’ll change the wheels…
Just a news! Today with the Jeep chef support we have looking for a new type of tired. In the next, Jeep’ll use for Wrangler the new 275/60R18 instead of the worst 255/70r18 (maybe Goodyear Wrangler HP All Weather). Finally and maybe the solution for our problem with r18. More stability, less “acquaplaning”, less ESP impact!
http://eu.goodyear.com/it_it/tires/repository/WranglerHP/index.jsp
FYI - as Way o life indicates….lifted JK’s …look into proper caster - after a lift caster is affected. Even with straightened(corrected)out steering wheel …the caster throws the sensors out a bit while cornering.
Wonderful! The new tires are fantastic! No more ESP problems and much more stability on bend. Finally Jeep maybe have found the solution!
My 07 jeep jk wrangler
is doing the same thing. i call chrysler and they wont awnser because its always busy.
all the other dealer wont do anything other than the flash and that doesnt help anything
I disconnected a rear wheel wires by pulling little orange tab out of the connector then pulled off connector, problem solved ,ESP was disabled Praise God